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Debra Green – Mountains or Fountains

My notes from this, the first talk in our 40 Days of Ivy DNA Series: RELEVANT.

People are surprised when we as a church are normal rather than ‘religious’

Text –  John 4- the samaritan woman at the well.

1) Jesus asked – ‘Will you give me a drink?’ This is a very controversial conversation for him to have at all. He’s showing us the type of Saviour he is. He’s speaking to her in her language, about her every day life and needs. Connects with the familiar.

If we want to be relevant we need to offer and speak into what people need.

Cf Breathe City Church in Stoke- their ‘When‘ ministry: giving clothes to the poor in the city. Thousands of clothing packages given.

When we meet the felt needs of people, we’ll be relevant. We’re not relevant because the worship is great or the preaching is good: people outside of church are not even asking about that anyway!

But if we help people and connect in people in prison, in debt, when we are marked by hospitality, or playing football like our new team IVY COSMOS – it’s great fun AND an opportunity for a conversation. We don’t have to fall into the sacred/secular divide mentality.

Is there someone you can have a chat with over the water?

2) Mountain or Fountain?

The Samaritans and Jews had a lot of theological, intellectual, religious debate about worship places.

The subject isn’t a bad one. There’s a lot in the Bible about mountains – but this is a religious debate that’s really a red herring / smokescreen to get away from the real issue of life: it’s not WHERE you worship, but WHO.

She’s thinking to impress him with her religious knowledge and grasp on current affairs and debate -

But Jesus says, ‘let’s not debate Mountains – I want to talk about Fountains!’

Jesus will change the question.

It’s not about the mountain of religion

It’s about the fountain of relationship.

Her heart was getting filled in all the wrong ways.

It’s not about discussing imponderables till 3am – after that question, along comes another…

come to the fountain!

The churches that are growing are those that are not stuck in religion, and my clever arguments are not going to win people over to Christ. It’s more about making Jesus accessible.

The harvest is plentiful!

Where?

Where people are. Go where people are.

Because people are dissatisfied and needing a fountain – of living water.

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Alan Taylor at Ivy MCR – how God can change me

We can become complacent.
If I’m going to heaven anyway, why bother changing now?
Jesus invites us into the Kingdom NOW. He wants us to enter into what has already been won for us 2000 years ago.
We’ve all picked up habits. We all have hurts & hang ups.
We are powerless without his power. He has to save us
His power has to change us
I believe in victory. We mustn’t shy away from overcoming. That’s for us!
To live extraordinary lives!
We believe in miracles
But sometimes they come as process not climactic events.

I must earnestly believe that God exists, that I matter to him, & that he has the power to help me recover.

Heb 11:6

1. Acknowledge God’s Existence
Psalm 14:1- The fool says in his heart there is no God
Rom 1:20 – God’s power & nature – clearly seen.
All the universe speaks of him.
The stars are a sermon!!
We need to know the historical nature & apologetics of our faith. Don’t be lazy.

2. Understand Gods Nature
Our parents might not have really modelled him too well, what is God really like- because I can only trust him if I know him.
Col 1:15
So… Get into the gospels! Because Jesus is God.

He… Knows all about my situation.
(I might have no idea what you are going through – he is intimately aware- keeps your tears in a bottle).

He…Cares about my situation.
(Ps 103). He knows what we are made of – dust! He is tender, gentle toward us, even when correcting us.

He… Can change me – and my situation.
We can buy into the lie that it’s just who I am. Not true! You are being transformed! Get in a small group with others. That will help – community. Resurrection power is in you!

Don’t just postpone the change. We are meant to have zoe eternal life now. Don’t keep looking in the rear view mirror, that does not have to shape what’s ahead of you.

There are seasons where he will bring you to your knees.

How do I accept Gods power to help me?
God even gives you the WILL to change what needs to change. He has power, love & self control to enable it.

Believe
And
Receive

It’s simple- just say to God..

‘Help.’

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David Batstone – Catalyst 2010. Smart Activism to Stop Slavery

Smart Activism to end Slavery


There’s no better time to be someone with global skills in a broken world than today. The Kingdom of God needs the BEST!

We need to change the presumption that only a few are called.

How do investigators evaluate supply chains to see how people are exploiting?

Check out http://www.notforsalecampaign.org/ Look at their slavery map.

There will be an app – Free To Work – to check this out.

They are grading companies to see how well they are sourcing their materials etc. These companies should want to be reputation leaders in this – not be forced to comply by law. What are the standards to evaluate?

There are 40 factors to check, (Look at Free to Work). Looking at the practices in place, e.g.., do you ever spot check your factories without notice?

How do you address the flow re sex trafficking?

Look at How / Who countries prosecute:

Do they just look at the prostitutes? What about the Johns who drive demand? There are traffik schools – exposing them to the reality of what they are involved in. Grace first, then if they recommit  an offence – law.

In Sweden they prosecute the Johns and the traffickers, and the women get help. Some countries eg Australia are seeking to decriminalise the whole thing. Which is the best approach?

This is a moment of opportunity for the Christian church to shine! We were late on AIDS. We were late on the environment. Let’s lead here.

We read the Bible and its there all the way through – set captives free – it’s our calling.

Change has to come – how do you create tools so that someone knows that they are helping or hindering justice in the world by e.g. the products they use and buy?

Churches, companies and individuals need to get involved.

Define our mission.

Lynn Swart’s talk at Ivy Mcr on Acts 20

These notes I took during the talk form discussion  for Ivy Grow Groups if you’re still meeting through summer….

What happened in Acts is not just about what happened, but what can happen today!

When we read Acts it is all about journeys – remember that we are on a journey too. Every day – sometimes we get stuck!

Discuss: Where are you on your journey right now? anyone stuck? Pray for one another.

Our journey at Ivy as a community is marked by Knowing, Growing & Going in God. That’s our missionary journey as a community.

We are all full time! Full time workers for the church & kingdom, some of us get paid for that. Some don’t.

Discuss: Do you agree? Should ANYONE get paid for Christian ministry?

The resource we cannot do without? The Holy Spirit! Lynn says it’s great to open the day by saying, ‘Good morning, Holy Spirit,’ every day. Invite his leading. Don’t just ask him to be with me, let him lead!

There is still a voyage of discovery – however long we’ve been following.

Keep steady in God – by knowing him, Christ in me.

Acts 20:1&2 (Read)

Uproars still happen. Idols don’t like being cast down.

Nb. this word – Encouraging! Parakaleo = come alongside and call out…

Do you love to encourage others? Come alongside & Call the greatness out of those around you?
We need people around us who will instil confidence in each other- because it is tough- but God is for us! We either believe that fully or not at all. ‘If God is for us who can be against us?’

Encouraging means ‘strengthen in purpose.’ believing that this person can make a difference.

Are we looking out for one another, lifting each other up? Not competing or even comparing. – without expectation of reward or recognition.

We need encouragement from God.

“The enemy wants to take you out at the ankles. God wants to take you out at the knees.” Do you let that happen first?

We need to speak encouragement to ourselves. Build altars of remembrance. Where I say, ‘Thus far the Lord has helped me…’

Tell stories of encouragement to one another. Prophesy over one another, naturally. Pray for one another. Take the opportunity to speak goodness and purpose into one another, rather than being quick to voice problems. I already know what my weaknesses & problems are! I need someone to say, ‘I see this in you..God’s doing this..’

? Take some time in the group doing this? Tell stories of encouragement!

Then there’s the Eutychus incident. He fell out of the window & dies. Vs 7-11. Paul speaks life – to the community! ‘don’t be alarmed’ by what you see with the natural eye.

Jesus is still the resurrection!

Community is so important. We cant do this journey alone. We need community. Ages mixed together.

Prophetic word via Dennis Wakefield was read out out by Lynn. This is on the church website.

I can’t watch my back, I need someone at my back!

Communion. Remember who is our life.

J. John reflects on Cumbria ‘Rampage’

My good friend J John has shared with me his reflections on the appalling tragedy in Cumbria – and gave me permission to share it with you.

Cumbria Tragedy

Few recent events have grabbed public attention in the UK more than the appalling random and brutal shootings in Cumbria in which Derrick Bird killed twelve people and wounded another eleven before turning his gun on himself.

These tragic events have shocked and perplexed us; the papers have been full of analysis in which the word evil has been unusually prominent. No attempt to deal with these events can avoid this aspect and so I offer some comments of my own. But before I do, let me offer a caution. Something in all human beings seeks explanation; indeed, the press has excelled itself at asking ‘Why?’ – and in not really providing an answer. Yet our first duty in such cases – however dramatic, however curious – is to show concern to the injured and bereaved. Showing compassion must come before seeking comprehension.
Let me say three things about evil in the context of the Cumbrian killings. The first is that this reminds us of the universal nature of evil. What has grabbed public attention on these killings has been the almost bizarre juxtaposition of brutality with normality. Evil struck in a very ordinary town, in a part of the world known to most Britons – if it is known at all – as a holiday location. It struck under the sunlit blue skies that supply the backdrop to our happiest memories. It struck down ordinary people who could easily have been our neighbours, friends or even family. The agent of evil was a man who was remarkable only for being unremarkable; an undistinguished taxi driver with friends, family and hobbies. Equally, none of those factors seem to have been present that we are told trigger violence: racism, poverty, unemployment and persecution were all absent. It was a crime with a single killer, a score of victims and no obvious motive. For these reasons, it was shocking. Yet for me as a Christian, while this eruption of evil into the world might be shocking, it is not surprising. The Bible teaches that evil is both so real and universal that all human beings are subject to its influence. The press has echoed this: the headline on one paper read ‘There is evil in all of us’. One of the great errors of the modern West has been to deny, despite abundant evidence, the fact that all human beings are flawed in the area of morality. We are all ‘sinners’ and only grace keeps evil in check. In life’s journey, we all travel closer to the precipice than we care to admit and on such a road it is wise to cling tight to God.
Secondly, evil is not the whole story. It has been said of certain people in business that they create their own ‘reality distortion field’ so that those close to them are no longer able to see accurately how things really are. I don’t know how true this is of individuals, but such killings certainly distort reality. Such random evil is so stunning and so sensational that we become focused on it. Through his murderous rampage of a few hours Derrick Bird managed to get page after page of press coverage for himself. In what is almost a parody of our celebrity-obsessed culture, violence made a nobody into a somebody. With evil and tragedy staring us in the face we need reminding that good is at work in the world too. Such things as the nurturing of children, the mending of bodies, the education of minds and even the planting of trees, are good things but they only whisper while evil shouts. Evil and violence draws the crowds and sells the papers, but we who are Christians and those who sympathise with our values should praise good in the world, however little and however unspectacular. One of the lesser joys of heaven will be the fact that evil is not only absent, but totally forgotten – what a relief.
Finally, let me encourage you to remember that evil is not the end of the story. One of the many blessings of being a Christian is that you are able to have a very different perspective on events such as this. If you hold to the view that this life is all there is, then the events in Cumbria are an utter tragedy without any redeeming feature. There is neither redemption for the sufferers nor judgement for the guilty: death obliterates both victim and perpetrator alike in the ultimate travesty of justice.

John Lennon’s ‘Imagine there’s no heaven’ is a notion with a bitter downside: the universe is utterly unjust. Yet as a Christian l am able to believe that the universe is indeed just, that there will be a final reckoning and that in Jesus Christ God’s grace triumphs over evil. In our grief and perplexity, let’s remember that evil doesn’t have the last word – God does.

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More blessed to give than receive

I just received a letter and picture for the fridge from one of the kids we sponsor through Compassion UK. Tucked away between the prayers for us and news of football games was this – ‘please read Acts 20:35′

Not a verse I know by heart – I looked it up. And then I found I did know it:

…remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’

I once heard of a Bishop who preached, “Jesus said – and I think he was right…’

Well, I know he’s right!

The apostle Paul knew that too and recalls in this passage words spoken by Jesus which are not recorded in any of the gospels; words that shaped the early church’s thought and practice – and helped it make such an impact! It was said of the early Christians, “They share their food but not their beds.” They were sexually pure but promiscuous in generosity!  They lived like that because they had their eyes on another destination.

Jesus said, “Store up treasures in heaven . . .” Why? Because it’s wise! Because whatever we have given to help the poor or invested in building God’s kingdom will last. It won’t be consumed by moths and rust and thieves.  But you’ll never see a hearse pulling a trailer. 

A friend of mine is an independent financial adviser. He says, “When it come to your money don’t just think just 3 days ahead, or 3 months or 3 years. Think 30 years.” Jesus Christ says, “Don’t just ask, how will this investment be paying off in thirty years. Ask, how will this investment be paying off in thirty million years?”

C. T. Studd left being England cricket captain to reach out to needy people in the mission field he famously said this…“One short life, ’twill soon be past, only what’s done for Christ will last.”

I have some bad news. I have a terminal disease! I’m going to die!

Even worse news? You have the same disease! You’re going to die too!

The disease is called mortality. One day, sooner than any of us would like to  think, we’ll each stand before our Lord, the Audience of One. He’ll call us to account for how we’ve stewarded our lives and our resources here.

If your treasures are in heaven….good news. Heaven is coming! All Hell can’t going to stop it. Anything you’ve put in God’s hands – for his work-  is safe. Anything you haven’t – isn’t going to last.

Jesus said, “Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” He’s saying, “Show me your chequebook and bank statement, I’ll show you where your heart is. Your heart follows your money.”

Want a heart for Pork Bellies? Put your money there! Want a heart for Tesco? Buy shares! Want a heart for God? A heart for what matters most to Him? A heart bigger than your next acquisition? Put your treasures where God is at work! Want a heart for your church? Invest your money in your church’s ministry. Then, put your treasures in mission work – reaching the poor. Want a heart for street kids? Invest… every day there are opportunities to buy up more shares in God’s kingdom!

Five minutes after we die, we’ll know exactly how we should have lived. But then it’ll be too late to go back and change anything! God has given us his Word so we don’t have to wait until we die to know how we should have lived. There’s no second chance for the unbeliever – AND no second chance for the believer!

You and I have one short life on earth to invest in heaven. Let’s not miss the opportunity! Here’s a great prayer: May what will be most important to me five minutes after I die, become most important to me now.

Alfred Nobel, a Swedish chemist, made his fortune by inventing dynamite and other powerful explosives. When Nobel’s younger brother died in an experiment, a newspaper accidentally printed his obituary instead. He was described as a man who became rich from enabling people to kill each other. Shaken by this assessment, Nobel wrote a will which resolved to use his fortune to reward accomplishments that benefited humanity, including what we now know as the Nobel Peace Prize.

Nobel had a rare opportunity – to look at the assessment of his life at its end, while he still had time to change it. While we live on earth – God is so gracious- it’s the land of second chances.

Put yourself in Nobel’s place. Read your own obituary, not as written by uniformed or biased people, but as an onlooking angel might write it from heaven’s point of view. Look at it carefully. Then let’s use the rest of our lives to edit that obituary into what we really want it to be.

To live each day with the knowledge that every moment we get closer to death, we get closer to our treasures – rather than further from them.

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Pastors R Us! Debra Green evening talk

Debra Green : Equipped. Pastors r us?

What is the pastor gift? Shepherding? Can mean someone with divine enabling of others, taking responsibility to model & establish trust, lead, protect those within our span of care.

We can’t abdicate caring to pastors who are paid. We all should take responsibility to respond to need.
Pastoral care; 4 things to remember- CARE

C. Compassion. It starts here! Jesus looked at the crowd and had compassion. He saw they were hungry. Went to meet the need. Went to rescue the lost sheep. Moved to reach out. In your gut, you are moved toward a need. Splancnizomai. Not just a sense of duty, it’s more powerful. Break my heart for what breaks yours. We don’t all have the same concern about the same things & that’s OK.  Sometimes we just have to get involved, being spontaneously compassionate. You don’t need permission or a word from God to do that. But bigger issues, like ‘should I go to Haiti?’ we need to check that and run through a bigger filter.
A. Aid (or Action). It’s not just a fluffy feeling – go to work! Cf Good Samaritan. Lk 10. Compassion got him to cross the road. He was a neighbour because he showed mercy. He came to his Aid, a stranger! There were all kinds of reasons why we has the last to be expected to help but he was there, doing what was needed: for a stranger: Mt 25:35-40. We are doing it as unto Jesus! He receives it himself. As a church we are to extend our pastoral care beyond the walls of the church! When someone dies, what can you do? Best thing is just be there with them & be kind. Send notes. Help practically. Offer to pray, sensitively! Give them space too.
R. Relationships. Jn 19:26 Jesus is in agony on the cross, he has nothing more he can give it seems, but then he sees his mother & best friend. Says, ‘Mother- here is your son.’ thinks of them above himself. Putting people together. We have to love & care for people. The bigger the church, it’s easier for people to fall through the net. Ring the person who’s missing, tell them you missed them! Nobody will be attracted to a church where there’s no love. People long for extnded family.
E. Empathy. So much more than sympathy. It’s a rich thing. Hebrews 4:15 , says Jesus knows how we feel, fully. So, he can fully empathise with us when we struggle. You can say, ‘I know someone who is able to know how you feel.’ in fact, when you have been through something – God can use you to help others with the same or similar pain or experience. You may have wondered why God allowed it? It’s valid to ask that. But one day you see it.

How to deal well with conflict in church.
10 steps
1. Come to me privately if you have a problem with me.
2. I’ll come to you privately
3. If someone comes to you with a problem about me, send them to me
4. If someone consistently will not come to me, say, ‘let’s go together.’
5. Be careful how you interpret me, i would rather do that myself! You might not fully understand my intentions.
6. I will be careful how I interpret you
7. If its confidential, don’t tell even one petson unless it will lead to harm to someone or danger.
8. I do not read unsigned notes, don’t bother sending them.
9. I do not manipulate, I will not manipulate, don’t let anyone manipulate you to try to manipulate me.
10. If in doubt, just say it. If I can answer without misrepresenting something or breaking a confidence, I will.

Pastoral care is just caring for everyone who God brings into your world. It’s not just for the church!

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Capacity for multiplication

Is 54:1-4 (Message) Make your tents large. Spread out! Think big! Use plenty of rope, drive the tent pegs deep. You’re going to need lots of elbow room for your growing family. You’re going to take over whole nations; you’re going to resettle abandoned cities. Don’t be afraid–you’re not going to be embarrassed. Don’t hold back–you’re not going to come up short.

God said from the very beginning that we’re to be fruitful and multiply, but it can only happen if you keep on making room to grow, to be enlarged – whether as an organisation or an individual. Nobody can fill what it’s already filled.

I love that this scripture says we should not be afraid! Don’t hold back! Don’t let all our YESTERDAYS or our TODAYS keep us from all his TOMORROWS! Our growth is not determined by God’s willingness, it cannot be restrained because of God’s ability; it is ONLY constrained by our capacity for the opportunity.

A man was fishing but he kept throwing the big ones back. Someone watching from the shore asked why. “Because I only have a tiny frying pan!”

In recent years since I first heard it from Dr Tayo Adeyemi, I have made this prayer my own: God give me capacity for my opportunity! When God wants to do something great – he always expands the capacity, both to receive and to give.

In Luke 5: Jesus said, “let down your netS” – plural.

Peter said, “Because you say so, I will let down a NET” – singular. Sounds like he was being humble, actually he was being partially obedient. He didn’t do what he was commissioned to. We don’t honour God by shrinking back from faith. There was a miracle, and the net broke. The question has to be … how many fish would you have had Peter? If you had put out for more capacity.

In 2010 – the year of multiplication, Lord, Give me capacity for my opportunity!

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Walking in the light?

LIGHT COMES FROM GOD:

Ps 36:9 For with you is the fountain of life; in your light we see light

So we’re to walk in the light:

- of His Son (John 8:12)

- of the word (Psalm 119:105)

- of relationship with others (Matthew 5:14)

The Holy Spirit wants to help and empower us to relate to scripture, to Jesus AND to others.

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There’s just not enough abundance these days

Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken from him. Luke 8:18

Do you have an abundance mentality or a scarcity mind-set?

The way the world is reported right now it’s easy to dig into a bunker ; focus on what we don’t have and what’s the worst that could happen. In Jesus’ famous parable of the talents, the one talent guy came to the Master with his report, saying,

‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground.”

His problem was in what he THOUGHT he knew about God. But he had that all wrong. The one talent guy had a bad attitude. He felt his master was out to exploit. In order not to be cheated, he stifled his own potential.

Proverbs 3:5 says, “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding.” (Another translation says, ‘Do not rely on what you THINK you know).

Dr. Stephen Covey has written that developing an abundance mentality, “…opens possibilities, alternatives, and creativity.”

Those who possess an abundance mentality can find contentment and options where others find competition and envy. People with a scarcity mind‐set resent the successes of others, even people who are on their own team (this happens a lot where it should happen least – between churches! Leadership guru Jim Collins once advised church leaders, ‘Your competition is NOT other churches, it’s anything else someone could be doing Sunday morning).

People with an abundance mentality know that a candle loses nothing from lighting another. When change happens – and it will till the day you die – do you look for what everyone gains or focus on what might be lost? There are forces in life that have been designed to limit us – to keep us where we are. But God’s desire for our lives is that we make constant progress. We were not designed to be contained or restricted. He wants us to be fruitful. He’s determined to bless the determined who persevere. This is evidenced in God’s first words to man in Genesis 1:28. It’s there in John 15:4, Jesus spoke about bearing much fruit.

Half full or half empty?

Half full or half empty?

So today… check your mental dialogue. Do you see limitations or possibilities?

Do you focus on what you don’t have or what you do have?

Do you see problems as insurmountable obstacles or creativity challenges? Do you see the mountain or the One who can move them? Do see that even if there’s less, that doesn’t mean there’s none. Do you see that there’s enough to go round, as long as you don’t try to hold on too tight.

Go forth – and multiply!

PS – for a facinating link to how global microfinance genius Muhammed Yunus sees the global financial crisis creating opportunity to help the poor; see this link reporting on his recent speech at Davos.

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