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TALE OF TWO BROTHERS: Charlotte Gambill: @CharlGambill – ALC Network Day

GREAT TALK from a fantastic Network Day! All our team who attended were blown away.
Well worth looking over and praying through in your teams etc.

Psalm 133:
1 How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! 2 It is like precious oil poured on the head, running down on the beard, 
running down on Aaron’s beard, 
down on the collar of his robe. 
3 It is as if the dew of Hermon 
were falling on Mount Zion. 
For there the LORD bestows his blessing, even life forevermore.

Have we accessed this blessing to its full extent?1

We can INSTIGATE this, bring it in ourselves. If… we can figure out how to be united.

And that’s not about standing up and all hold hands. That can be purely external. We need this REAL unity. In our teams, churches, cities. In our marriage and with our kids is where it starts.

Where has this gone wrong?
Go and look for brothers in the Bible that got along – there weren’t many!

Cain and Abel
Jacob and his brothers
David and his
Joseph and his

The enemy’s having a laugh at our expense! We are praying for a blessing and it starts here. Or not.
There are two brothers (this goes beyond male/female). Two big categories. The enemy finds it easy to separate these two and bring tensions.

Brother Reliable.
Brother Restless.

Reliable – you never have to remind them twice, they’ll take notes, and pass them on. Think it through, plan it through. We celebrate him (behind the scenes).

Restless – fidgeting, twittering, never quite there with you. A million ideas all at the same time.

We have both of these people and we have to understand how it works.
The parable of the prodigal son was not about the failure of ONE brother, but of two. And the Restless one comes back – which doesn’t often happen in the house of God cos we push them out.
And Reliable brother doesn’t like it.
If you let Reliable run the show, on his own he’ll become Resentful (why are we throwing a party for you, not me?).
If you let Restless go for it completely he’ll become Reckless.

i.e.., They will go to their EXTREMES.
The father’s saying ‘I’m Dad of BOTH! If you’d keep these two skill sets together, a blessing would fall.

Who do you preach to? Do you make one feel good at the expense of the other feeling bad?
He’s the father of both. He’s not excluding either.

Joseph and his brothers came from two very different vantage points.

Gen 37: 1 Jacob lived in the land where his father had stayed, the land of Canaan. 2 This is the account of Jacob’s family line. Joseph, a young man of seventeen, was tending the flocks with his brothers, the sons of Bilhah and the sons of Zilpah, his father’s wives, and he brought their father a bad report about them.

REPORTS can replace RELATIONSHIP

The first indication of the difference. Reliable (Joseph) – sees something that the others don’t see. They’re having a laugh, not taking the work seriously, a way they could improve etc. Something that could be given a better system.
When Reliable people enter in and see that, but there’s no RELATIONSHIP, then he’s just filing a report. What we’ll have in teams is SNITCHES.

And notice that what Reliable sees is RIGHT, it’s something we DO need to change/tweak. But without relationship it’s putting brother against brother. And division creeps in – and it will go to whatever team/ network they’re in. And then we pray, ‘God bless us’ but he can’t. The way you say it matters.

Not everyone is like you – and God designed it that way.

We can build a staff top heavy with one type of people or another, and try keeping the same people all together. Like separating kids off into their bedrooms. False peace. We need to mix them up.

ROBES can divide RELATIONSHIP.

3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons, because he had been born to him in his old age; and he made an ornate robe for him. 4 When his brothers saw that their father loved him more than any of them, they hated him and could not speak a kind word to him.

We mistake God’s favour for his favourites. God gives us his favour to commission you for what you’re going to do next. Titles, bonuses etc can become a dividing issue. If we put a robe on someone, do we think about it beforehand? How it will effect them and the team?

That robe or this one may fall on one, and all the others should celebrate that. For Joseph, it may have felt very awkward to wear that robe. The others may have felt overlooked – but God says, ‘figure it out’ – celebrate this, because it’s a robe of responsibility = more work.

Be careful how you speak over other’s lives. Put words in that defuse the other brother spirit in those around.

5 Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers, they hated him all the more. 6 He said to them, “Listen to this dream I had: 7 We were binding sheaves of grain out in the field when suddenly my sheaf rose and stood upright, while your sheaves gathered around mine and bowed down to it.”
 8 His brothers said to him, “Do you intend to reign over us? Will you actually rule us?” And they hated him all the more because of his dream and what he had said.
 9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.

RELIABLE bluntly says it as they see it. Reliably. ‘Deal with it.’
A Restless person would bring it very differently. Talk all about how they feel etc. Creative, passionate, persuasive.

Reliable people need help with discernment.
Restless is sensing something else.

You need BOTH to give you a report. Listen to both reports:
Reliable, ‘It was great, started on time, finished on time…’
Restless – It was boring, nobody engaged.

The dream that caused division – was a dream of future restoration, in a moment when robes would not be an issue.

How is this FIXED?
In our teams.
(Especially in worship teams where the divas are!).

Don’t kick one out – say, ‘You’re brothers – figure it out. Seek to work together for the long term – the blessing comes there.’

How to bring reconciliation?

The Reliable ones have to be willing to drop their guard – even lose control.

Gen 45: 1 Then Joseph could no longer control himself before all his attendants, and he cried out, “Have everyone leave my presence!” So there was no one with Joseph when he made himself known to his brothers. 2 And he wept so loudly that the Egyptians heard him, and Pharaoh’s household heard about it. 3 Joseph said to his brothers, “I am Joseph! Is my father still living?” But his brothers were not able to answer him, because they were terrified at his presence.

Be willing to show your vulnerability. That you’re not perfect. That we need to talk about this. To say, ‘Hey – we’re brothers! let’s see the big picture.’ He’s showing his human side.

Close the Gap
vs. 4 Then Joseph said to his brothers, “Come close to me.”

Explain the dream – a different way.

When they had done so, he said, “I am your brother Joseph, the one you sold into Egypt! 5 And now, do not be distressed and do not be angry with yourselves for selling me here, because it was to save lives that God sent me ahead of you. 6 For two years now there has been famine in the land, and for the next five years there will be no plowing and reaping. 7 But God sent me ahead of you to preserve for you a remnant on earth and to save your lives by a great deliverance.
 8 “So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God..

If there was ever a day when robes could divide – it was that day, but he now had a come close attitude.

Talk about it together

Not shout. Not compete. Talk. About how we can be more united.
14 Then he threw his arms around his brother Benjamin and wept, and Benjamin embraced him, weeping. 15 And he kissed all his brothers and wept over them. Afterward his brothers talked with him.

We want Psalm 133 in our team!

How about you?

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GOD’S GREATEST SERMON. Judah Smith. Catalyst #cat2011

GOD’S GREATEST SERMON: Judah Smith at Catalyst 2011

Exodus 33
Consider the glory of God. its implications in your life.

12 Moses said to the LORD, “You have been telling me, ‘Lead these people,’ but you have not let me know whom you will send with me. You have said, ‘I know you by name and you have found favor with me.’ 13 If you are pleased with me, teach me your ways so I may know you and continue to find favor with you. Remember that this nation is your people.”
 14 The LORD replied, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”
 15 Then Moses said to him, “If your Presence does not go with us, do not send us up from here. 16 How will anyone know that you are pleased with me and with your people unless you go with us? What else will distinguish me and your people from all the other people on the face of the earth?”
 17 And the LORD said to Moses, “I will do the very thing you have asked, because I am pleased with you and I know you by name.”
 18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

Possibly the most intimate question in the OT?!

19 And the LORD said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
 21 Then the LORD said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”

Then compare that with this (John 1)

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Jesus is the glory of God.
If that’s true, you can have a SURPLUS. You have everything you will need for living, leading and loving.

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Did you know women have RULES. Verbally declared or not. And you are to somehow read their mind. figure out their rules – and obey them, then hey’ll feel love. And they are under no obligation to let you know the rules or that they’ve changed at any time.

On date night, there’s always a score.
And if you score high enough, you score at the end of it!

His idea of the best date night ever? Go and see a great action movie, then make love. That’s whe he feels most loved!

But she says, ‘It’s when you ask questions.’ men don’t like that, because it feels like an interrogation!

But what she’s trying to communicate is, ‘I want to KNOW you. I don’t just want to do stuff with you or for you.” And she’s right. Because marriage should be about KNOWING each other.

And Moses has known God. he’s seen him do stuff. But he’s on a roll… he asks for more.
I don’t just want your power
or your promises
or your presence with me
I want to see your GLORY. I want to know you.

And God says, ‘Well it’s a bit early in the game. I need to work something out. Don’t peek till I tell you. Then you get a glimpse – of my back!’ And he hides him. Covers him. ‘Now you ca look.

God is so radiant in glory and righteousness, and all that God is, was revealed. And that glimpse made Moses face glow in the dark for days.

Moses only got a glimpse in passing.
It was not until JESUS that God could fully answer Moses question.

That’s when Jesus showed us God’s glory.

I want to look FULLY in the face of Jesus. I don’t need what Moses saw, I’ve got JESUS. Moses wished in his day he could see what is ours.

Hebrews says Jesus is God’s greatest sermon.

1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

When Moses asked to see God’s glory, he’s asking to see his ESSENCE. What makes you GOD? And Jesus comes and he displays FULLY for us the divine radiance. You don’t have to beg for it. You don’t have to wait for goosebumps. You have all you’ll ever need, in Jesus.

All the sermons you’ll ever have to write.

Have you ever taken inventory – of yourself? And felt pretty empty and out of stuff?

Well, do I actually know what I have in Jesus.
Why do I go looking for some potion or magic potion? NOTHING can supplement what is available to us – JESUS! He’s available to you.

Jesus meets a scandalous woman at a well. A bad woman. He wants to talk to her.
Do you know who I am? I’m a Samaritan woman!
Then they have a conversation…it gets deep.
Then he says, ‘Woman – i am HE – you don’t have to wait any longer, or look any further.’
(Message version).
We don’t have to wait or look any longer.
It’s Jesus.
He IS what we need. Counsellor, Pastor, Friend, everything you’ll ever need.

God loves your city more than you do.
His name is on the line.
It’s just about Jesus
And if I come to him, he’ll do what I can’t ever do.

SINCE WHEN IS JESUS NOT ENOUGH?
Has the information age brought us to this heretical place where we have to ad, to his all sufficiency. To look further than Jesus for what we need.

Jesus has been trying to catch your eye, saying, ‘My grace is sufficient.’
You lack NOTHING.
Jesus says, ‘Come to me! Pastor, Mum, CEO, if you feel empty, like you don’t measure up. I’ll give you REST. Take his burden.’ Simple message. Come again. In honesty and humility.
YES!
All I ever needed – was you.

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Draw A Circle! Catalyst 2011 Mark Batterson.

Amazing session of teaching at #cat11 (labs)

Mark Batterson

National Community Church – Washington.

Your leadership cannot go beyond your prayer life. 

The Book Of Legends (Talmud). In the first century there was a drought that was killing off the nation. Honi the Circlemaker. Drew a circle in teh sand and prayed, Sovereign Lord I will not leave this circle until you have mercy on your people. He carried on praying for more rain until the rain was the size of eggs. Then he prayed again for the rain of God’s blessing.

The prayer saved a generation.

Bold prayer honours God, and God honours bold prayer. When you pray what you can’t do.

Joshua 6

1 Now the gates of Jericho were securely barred because of the Israelites. No one went out and no one came in.2 Then the LORD said to Joshua, “See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men.

(God had already done it – but they had to do something).

If your dream is of the Lord, he has already delivered it!

What did they have to do? 

3 March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days. 4 Have seven priests carry trumpets of rams’ horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day, march around the city seven times, with the priests blowing the trumpets. 5 When you hear them sound a long blast on the trumpets, have the whole army give a loud shout; then the wall of the city will collapse and the army will go up, everyone straight in.”

6 So Joshua son of Nun called the priests and said to them, “Take up the ark of the covenant of the LORD and have seven priests carry trumpets in front of it.” 7 And he ordered the army, “Advance! March around the city, with an armed guard going ahead of the ark of the LORD.”

A General who goes to his church told them recently about how a perfect plan never survives contact with the enemy. And this is the first battle of the promised land. How about a better plan?

Battering rams? catapults? That makes sense!

What’s this about?

A new way of praying?

Prayer is the difference between you fighting for God, and God fighting for you.

Pray like it depends on God – and he will begin to fight for you! He will make things happen that there’s no way you could have done it.

So they go round in circles…

Why?

Marking their territory? 

cf your dog! Staking claim to something. How do we do that? By prayer. Jericho was a 12 acre city, 50 foot walls, 10 feet thick. Intimidating place! First lap they’d feel foolish. 400 years in slavery. 40 more in exile. Then the second lap is a bit faster. Walk and pray – helps you not be distracted. Holy confidence grows as they step out. By the seventh day, they are ready for a holy roar. ‘This place belongs to the Lord.’

They marked out not their territory, but GOD’S territory.

When you don’t know what you’re doing – you have to pray!

And all the promises of God are for you! They are YES and AMEN. Our problem is not over-claiming.

We are not meant to just read the Bible, but to pray through it. When you come to a Promise – CIRCLE it and pray it! Claim it as a promise.

The enemy has taken so much of our property and the Lord wants it back. Mark our territory. Circle it. Matt 18:18. What you bind and loose on earth is bound and loosed in heaven. Put spiritual contracts in place. Pray and pray through.

The most important thing to do this year? Work out how to pray more. Not laying your agenda before God. Discover God’s agenda for YOU.

Doing Reconnaissance. 

Gathering information and intelligence. Prayer is how we do this. The Reticular Activation System in your brain determines what you pay attention to and notice. cf Set Life Goals. You probably won’t achieve goals you never set. When you pray you start noticing things – everything. Col 4 – pray, be watchful and thankful…

When you pray you’ll se first and further. Do Recon.

Reading is a form or recon. Conferences is recon. But the best way? Prayer. the still small voice – where you perceive the imperceptible. I’d rather than 1 God idea than a 1000 good ideas. Where do you get them? Pressing into God.

Keep Going.

What if they gave up on circle 5? Some of you have been circling so long. The dream hasn’t been fulfilled. How to write a book? Do a 40 day fast of entertainment. Pray and write till the book was written. Have a deadline. that’s a lifeline for your goals. I’m not coming out of this circle till you do it.

He was once asked, ‘If you had to describe yourself in one word what would it be?’ He said at 22, ‘Driven.’ Thought it was a good answer.

But he was taught how to kneel by his father-in-law, who always had to have new patches in his trousers and kept on keeping on.

We want to take just one trip around Jericho and wondered why they never got the miracle.

Mother Dabney – talked about, coined phrase-  ‘Praying through.’ keep praying!

Until recently, he always added (unconsciously) ASAP on his prayers. ‘God would you do this, ASAP.’ I want God to do it yesterday.

Now he has a new acronym for prayer.

ALAIT

As Long As It Takes.

In fact, let it be long enough and hard enough that I’m not at all tempted to take any credit for it for myself.

Are you willing to pay the price?

Acts 2:41 – 3000 people baptised in one place, That’s a goal. One day, as long as it takes.

100 years ago, Gypsy Smith. Never went to school, yet lectured at Harvard. Went to the White House, preached to more than a million people. Powerfully used of God. They asked him, ‘How?’

How does revival come?

He said, ‘Go home, lock yourself in your bedroom, lock yourself in, draw a circle around yourself – fervently and brokenly for God to send a revival to everything in that circle.’

That’s our job.

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Debra Green – Mountains or Fountains

My notes from this, the first talk in our 40 Days of Ivy DNA Series: RELEVANT.

People are surprised when we as a church are normal rather than ‘religious’

Text –  John 4- the samaritan woman at the well.

1) Jesus asked – ‘Will you give me a drink?’ This is a very controversial conversation for him to have at all. He’s showing us the type of Saviour he is. He’s speaking to her in her language, about her every day life and needs. Connects with the familiar.

If we want to be relevant we need to offer and speak into what people need.

Cf Breathe City Church in Stoke- their ‘When‘ ministry: giving clothes to the poor in the city. Thousands of clothing packages given.

When we meet the felt needs of people, we’ll be relevant. We’re not relevant because the worship is great or the preaching is good: people outside of church are not even asking about that anyway!

But if we help people and connect in people in prison, in debt, when we are marked by hospitality, or playing football like our new team IVY COSMOS – it’s great fun AND an opportunity for a conversation. We don’t have to fall into the sacred/secular divide mentality.

Is there someone you can have a chat with over the water?

2) Mountain or Fountain?

The Samaritans and Jews had a lot of theological, intellectual, religious debate about worship places.

The subject isn’t a bad one. There’s a lot in the Bible about mountains – but this is a religious debate that’s really a red herring / smokescreen to get away from the real issue of life: it’s not WHERE you worship, but WHO.

She’s thinking to impress him with her religious knowledge and grasp on current affairs and debate -

But Jesus says, ‘let’s not debate Mountains – I want to talk about Fountains!’

Jesus will change the question.

It’s not about the mountain of religion

It’s about the fountain of relationship.

Her heart was getting filled in all the wrong ways.

It’s not about discussing imponderables till 3am – after that question, along comes another…

come to the fountain!

The churches that are growing are those that are not stuck in religion, and my clever arguments are not going to win people over to Christ. It’s more about making Jesus accessible.

The harvest is plentiful!

Where?

Where people are. Go where people are.

Because people are dissatisfied and needing a fountain – of living water.

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Alan Taylor on Authority & the Absalom spirit

Notes by Anthony for Grow Groups based on Alan Taylor’s Evening talk :

Authority

God has given us an impossible task – and authority to do it.
Eph 2:10

Nobody has ever grown in God without living under authority – which is the way to have authority.

Pray for our nation and its young people especially with regard to disorder on the streets.

There are things God has put inside you that won’t be unlocked unless you learn to live under authority

Literally the word authority means ‘that which settles a matter.’
These days we google things to settle matters, it’s become an authority!

What’s the final authority for Christians?

Also the word means – the word of the Author

God is the Author- do we give him authority? In what ways might we demonstrate that?

God draws us to himself as a loving Father, into the story he has written for you.

Authority = being under the Author.

One Bible character who lived contrary to being under authority = Absalom.

Find where he appears in the Bible. (Leaders help the group look eg. in a concordance or online at biblegateway).

Absalom was King David’s son. Well, one of them.
He had a sister called Tamar, who was raped & then abandoned by Ammon, another half brother.

There was a family cover up of this horrific incident David does nothing – so eventually Ammon broods before he takes revenge and kills his brother, and was himself exiled for that.

Insurrection

Eventually Absalom gets back in David’s court and has some freedom, he has as a charismatic personality and draws many people to himself- over 4 years – secretly undermining his father – then he calls together a following and announces himself as King!

Pride
Absalom was a handsome man with long hair, but that becomes his downfall when his army is routed and he gets caught in a tree.

Q: how are pride & rebellion linked?

It all started with Heart Failure.
Absalom was offended, rebelled against his leader/father because he was not doing what he wanted.

Q. The leader (his father) was wrong. What should absalom have done instead? What’s the right way to help fallible leaders who get it wrong, to put it right?

The prophet Malachi prophesies a day when fathers hearts get turned to their children. The government have been urging parents in the London riots to call their children home but others comment that many don’t know who their fathers are! Pray for the fatherlessness crisis in our land.

I am the law.
Absalom then became judge, jury & executioner.

He said ‘I am the law.’
He decided to take the law into his own hands. He knew what should be done and did it himself rather than operate under the established authority.

Q. Can you think of / share a time when you did this? What was the result?

Jesus gives us the gift of his Holy Spirit and a community to be part of and accountable with. We are not just meant to live how we please.Jesus was punished for our rebellion. Will we now live under his kind authority? Or face the wrath of God.

Q. Can you think of an area in your life where you are struggling against authority because ‘it’s a stupid idea/ leader/ rule anyway.’?
Read what 1 Sam 15:23 says about that rebellious ‘I know best’ spirit.

Absalom would not admit he’d got it wrong. He’d dig his heels in instead. Then he got into rebellion, ingratiating himself, not openly criticising – but that always has an eroding effect, because it comes from a negative heart.

Q. Are you good at saying sorry?

Alan talked about his own generation saying that young people don’t like to get under submission – perhaps to what others older in faith are envisioning.

God gives us authority – I think I’m going to talk about that a little next week- but if you rebel against authority and try to write for yourself a better story than the Author of life, you can find you are unknowingly fighting against God. Thats scary!

What’s even scarier?
The people follow him!
There are wolves in sheep’s clothing in churches too. We have to watch out for them.

Pray for the Elders, staff & all in any kind of leadership at Ivy MCR that we will all honour one another in how we speak, think and act toward one another, remembering that living under God’s authority welcomes him – and his power- into your life.

New Wine and Old Wineskins

For years while I was in leadership settings in Anglican churches, with some glorious times of course for which I am grateful, I kept coming up against a particular short parable of Jesus and feeling like, ‘He’s talking to me, he’s talking about me.’ It’s from Luke 5, that old stuff about new wineskins:
read it here

I would go to conferences, go up for prayer, or just in my daily Bible readings for me and Zoe this passage would leap off the page as it seemed to describe so much of what I was attempting to do, which was at times stymied by the structures which were not ready for change.

It’s been fascinating for me to read pretty much in one sitting, a book that was sitting around on my shelf probably for about the last six years, which has incredible insight into how the parable relates to church now and how it will look in the future. C. Peter Wagner’s ‘Changing Church’ has been at times really like somebody reading my mail! I’d read a similar book of his,  Churchquake, and maybe I wasn’t ready for it then but it didn’t grab me quite the same as this one. I don’t agree with everything he says of course but there is so much plain sense here I could’t stop reading way past bedtime! In the book he talks about a new Reformation that is coming to the church, in fact it’s already happening. And it’s the change from old wineskin to new.

If we look through the history of the church, God has continually been creating new wineskin after new wineskin so it shouldn’t come as a surprise when he does it in our lifetimes.

A new wineskin, a new Reformation, will of course mean massive gains for the kingdom of God while at the same time huge amounts of disruption for the status quo.  For that reason Wagner  identifies for us and  alerts us to the demonic ‘Corporate spirit of religion’ which is assigned to prevent change and maintain the status quo by using religious devices.

Its target is human minds, particularly people in positions of influence and religious structures who unconsciously allow themselves to be manipulated so that they will not hear what the Spirit is saying ( present tense) to the churches as in Rev 2:7  but instead to only focus on what has already been said in former times.

In conversation with many good friends during those times, when I sensed God was saying if I trusted him to really step out then he would  open a new door – so that I would not have to remain in the structures which had become strictures – that objections that were raised kept me within the fold –  sometimes because of a sense of loyalty, but if I’m honest, often also lots of fear.

Anyone with any experience of the way these things work would think it quite obvious that those in high positions of denominational leadership would worry about and oppose, directly or indirectly, whatever they might perceive to go against ‘unity at all costs’ or be a threat of the new doctrine of democratic ecclesiastical government and not allow the old wineskin to move into God’s new times and seasons.

But Wagner points out to us that the strongest opposition to new wine skins actually comes from representatives of the most recent old wineskin. Those with the newest incarnation of old wineskins are likely to be myopic in recognising that’s what they hold, so they stretch the old one but resist the necessary changes to gain the new, even though the old wineskins will not be able to hold the new wine, the wineskins will break and the wine will be lost.

Denominational leaders have often dutifully affirmed while at the same time skillfully domesticating charismatic renewal and its leaders, effectively turning down the gas on the fire of the Holy Spirit so that it’s safe, manageable and doesn’t burn their house down.

So I wrestled for many years with the uncomfortable thought of not staying within my denomination to be an agent of renewal but instead to step outside if necessary in order to open up a new wineskin that God might want in his grace to pour into.

Together with many of my friends however I was perhaps falling under the spell of that spirit of religion, because I wasn’t able to discern its influence or presence. If it was easy to spot, why would anyone fall for it?!

On page 51 Wagner lists the kind of things that were said to me by friends (and I said them to myself) which kept me where I should not have been for longer than I should have been as he lists the reasons why many leaders will not consider leaving the denomination to found what he calls ‘New Apostolic Networks.’

  • This is the church of my family I would betray my family heritage
  • My friends are all here
  • The denomination holds my ordination credentials
  • The denomination holds our church facilities, and we would lose them.
  • All my clergy colleagues, including my support groups, are in the denomination
  • This is my employment – how would I support my family?
  • My retirement funds are here, I would forfeit that if I left
  • My religious affiliation is part of my personal self-identity
  • I must avoid the sin of rebellion and remain loyal.

And so it was (despite the pain involved in stepping outside of a denominational framework of leadership which had so much I love and have enjoyed) that I finally and personally  came to the place of realistically giving up the notion that internal reform was possible in what too often seemed a hopelessly compromised old wineskin setting; which restricted growth, rewarded incompetence and rejected orthodoxy. I took one of the biggest risks of my life  - to move into a new wineskin.

Now please keep on pouring it out Lord!

I am still an Anglican with the credentials of having been ordained as a priest in the system, and I am very grateful that the Bishop here has been gracious to grant me permission to officiate while I’m experimenting in whole new ways of doing church. Permission without restriction is the best of both worlds. But I had to be willing to lay it all down and I was. And God is faithful.

I don’t see myself as being disloyal to or rejecting my denominational roots, though I have become disillusioned and dissatisfied with its spiritual and theological directions. Many great people and leaders I know will choose to remain (I was told over and again, ‘you have to be in it to win it’).

If that’s what the Lord is telling YOU, fantastic – but while nothing in this post should be taken to say that denominations or any particular denomination is bad or beyond redemption, I simply invite you to consider the question I grappled with so long and its implications for you – if God is choosing to pour out new wine, but you choose to remain in the old wineskin, how might you miss out – and might that be more than you stand to gain by remaining?

BILL HYBELS Leaders Q & A – afternoon session

Bell curve

BOOMING DECREASING

ACCELERATING TANKING

As the weekend service goes, so goes Willow.

There have to be

Explorers
+
Beginners
Growers
christ-centred people

Build a weekend service that is catalytic across all 4 segments.

However fast you may be climbing up the left hand side – here’s the problem: What’s AWESOME now, will get tired, some time from now. The cycle is happening faster these days! We need to re-invent ourselves, if not, we will go into decline, and tank.

You must start the NEW curve, (that’s putting you down bottom left again).

More important than where you are, is agreeing where you are.

Do people know what’s going to come this Sunday already? This is not reinvention to be cool. Do it to be spiritually catalytic to the whole spectrum of people you’re trying to reach and disciple.

ENERGY BURSTS

What to do when you don’t know what to do next about a big issue: methodically, prayerfully -
Anything biblical you want your church to become – you’re likely to do it if, you put in the focus and devote an energy burst to it.

Then -
put the name of it on a piece of paper.

Read – get some great material on the subject. Devote the next three wednesdays between 11am and 1230am and don’t bail, don’t let yourself on the hook till you’re progressing.
What people do I know who’s heart would also be engaged in this? – to lead to a course of action (new evangelism strategy? new staff member?). Who’s done this before I can lead from or model?
Plan some more planning meetings devoted to it. Name the team. Get the solutions and work them.

One of your best friends in leadership is your calendar, because YOU get to put on it what you want to see happen.
If it’s full – disappoint somebody!
Tell Fred you can’t meet with him – for a year, use that time.

Breathe energy into the right stuff.
You don’t have time for reports – send me an email.

Tell us about REVEAL and how that’s changing church.

The Reveal data was a painful pill.
He wanted to get every pastor to go through the survey to discover how effective they are being. But hardly anybody wants to do that survey. Why?
It’s easier to just do good Sundays.

Eg – how many explorers are there in the church? Should there be?
What our % of our people are beginners, growers & Christ centred people.

The power of it all is the move from being a grower into a FULLY converted, live or die Christian. You can change the world with those people, they give, serve, pray and bring their people. GOAL therefore – bring as many people as possible to THAT. (Full surrender). Saying ‘all I want between here and the grave is to hear God’s voice and obey it’ – you can’t stop that. Not afraid to die, cos they no longer count their life worthy. ‘Does our church have a need? If it’s an ongoing need, it’s in my heart to serve because all I exist for is God’s glory advancing in the world.”

Everyone else has a value proposition going on – ‘If it’ll benefit me…”

They don’t do it by merely attending your services.

The highest predictors of whether this happens are NOT number of services attended but…
Engagement with the Bible.
Prayer
Community
Servanthood (especially with the poor).

People engaged like that, it doesn’t matter about the buildings you meet in.
So – what if we leverage our services toward these kind of spiritual practices?

When they are finishing the services now, time and again he says,
“We can’t read your Bible for you this week. Will you pledge to do that.
We can’t pray your prayers for you… will you plan to do that? etc…”

On the world scene – what do you see that cheers you or breaks your heart?

There are so many pockets around the world where the Kingdom of God is advancing with power. The Acts 2 deal. Lots of great stuff. BUT

Very few congregations have figured out the twenty-something generation. Most pastors are scratching their heads over that, and unwilling to take the risks associated with trying to do that.

More and more churches are actually being led by leaders. This is encouraging! Otherwise, those who are leaders in the world come to church and shut their brains off. Their talents are not engaged.

There is nothing like the local church when the local church is working right!
You only have from this day to that day to be in the fight, day to day, advancing the purpose of God against the evil forces of this world – one shot. With all eternity to talk about it.

Last night’s Prezi – at a fantastic baptism service

Wow what a day yesterday was.

It started for me at 6am because I had to get to the BBC studios in Manchester early. I was then interviewed by loads of regional sunday morning shows about our #’Ivy MCR Fallowfield’ – www.churchinaclub.co.uk which has made the news all over the country including USA and Australia. Incredible – a year of surprises!

In  terms of overall attendance at 4 services (I preached at them all – that wasn’t the plan, but these things happen) we then had our biggest Sunday attendance EVER, topping 700.

The baptism service in the evening was the highlight for me though, proof positive of new life and transformation found in no other name but Jesus! I went to bed tired but SO happy. What a great church God’s building here, I love my church!

The talk will be available from our website www.ivymanchester.org and here’s the Prezi to go with it.

Prezi from yesterday morning’s talk: ‘Clearing out my closet’ in the RECOVERY series

A friend (John Hancock)  invited me to check out this new software for presentations.
I love it!
It’s a lot more intuitive and connects to how I think which is usually less linear, more brainstorming.
I’m learning, so the first one wasn’t that sharp…

The talk was about how God clears away our mess and gives us a clear conscience through Confession and you can listen to it via the podcast free at www.ivymanchester.org

There are also notes for midweek groups to discuss it further on the site.

If you want to view it, click here

2010 in review- 31 Jumbos read my blog!

The stats helper monkeys at WordPress.com mulled over how this blog did in 2010, and here’s a high level summary of its overall blog health:

Healthy blog!

The Blog-Health-o-Meter™ reads Wow.

Crunchy numbers

Featured image

A Boeing 747-400 passenger jet can hold 416 passengers. This blog was viewed about 13,000 times in 2010. That’s about 31 full 747s.

 

In 2010, there were 68 new posts, growing the total archive of this blog to 183 posts. There were 61 pictures uploaded, taking up a total of 10mb. That’s about 1 pictures per week.

The busiest day of the year was October 7th with 185 views. The most popular post that day was John Ortberg on Spiritual Formation at Catalyst 2010.

 

Where did they come from?

The top referring sites in 2010 were facebook.com, twitter.com, cvmen.org.uk, ivycottage.org, and ivymanchester.org.

Some visitors came searching, mostly for anthony delaney, fishing net, melvin banks, ivy manchester, and anthony delaney blog.

Attractions in 2010

These are the posts and pages that got the most views in 2010.

1

John Ortberg on Spiritual Formation at Catalyst 2010 October 2010
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2

Who? December 2007
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3

List from veteran evangelist Melvin Banks at Evangelists Conference January 2010
2 comments

4

Books December 2007
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5

Michael Ramsden: Knowing and trusting the character of God. January 2010
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