Posted in August 2010

How to get men to love Church (part 1)

This post – originally a talk at the New Wine National Leader’s event, has recently been published in Sorted magazine.

I stopped going to church as soon as I had a choice. In my early teens my parents decided they’d only ever gone out of occasional religious duty and were going to stop. They said I had a choice as to whether I went. Starsky and Hutch were on, no-brainer.

Years of fun, sin and regret in pretty much equal measure prevailed until at twenty-one I came to know Jesus after an undeniable experience of meeting him; a story for another day.

Even though I now saw myself as a Christian I probably still wouldn’t have bothered with church if not for a couple of clergymen who bust the stereotype for me early on; Neil was the first. He accepted me where I was at- a copper who grew up on a council estate now working a rough Manchester central beat. When I came to the little Bible study group I’d been invited to he laughed at my (colourful to say the least) jokes and inappropriate remarks rather than making me feel terrible or expecting me to feel bad for just being me. I wanted to be like Neil.
Alan was amazing. What I liked about Alan was that he was a man – and a man of God. United fan. Generous, funny, too humble – and you knew he loved you. I wanted to be like Alan. It’s men like that who got me not just to go to church, but to stay there, stick at it, and not just moan or leave but do my best to make it better.

The church has a problem, Houston. Over the last twenty years 38% of believing men left the church. Believing men – deciding they still believe but don’t want to go to church anymore! So we are facing a crisis before we even think about connecting more effectively with men like many who read Sorted but are still not at all sure about this Jesus stuff. It’s like running the taps without the plug in.

The person most likely to regularly go to church in this country according to the Tear Fund research report is a black, professional middle class woman, over 60. We all love Moira Stewart so that’s great. But where are the blokes?

Gender Gap Widening
In the UK the ratio of women to men in church is 65% to 35%, but far too few churches have anything like 35% of men regularly attending. Worse news than the Coalition budget? The gender gap is widening – and the less men you get, especially young men, the less people generally you get. In the last 20 years 49% of men under 30 left the UK church!
Now does that mean British men are not that interested in spiritual things? Maybe we just point to the parable of the sower and decide that men are generally hard soil, while black, middle class, middle aged women are good soil? (It’s their fault, not the church’s fault in other words). We can’t get away with that, because there is no gender gap in Islam, Buddhism, Judaism or Hinduism. In fact in all those other religions there are MORE men than women! Men are interested in spiritual things, and I maintain that there’s no message to compete with gospel truth, so why is it not reaching the average British bloke?

Peter Williamson - Mr Average?

Mr Average
Peter Williamson’s wife put him forward for the title for a Channel 4 Documentary, and I know not all of this will apply to him (or you) as I’ve cobbled it together from various sources the average British man…

Had 8 sexual partners before he got married in his early thirties,
Has two children
Drives a Ford Fiesta
Is 5ft 9in
Owes £9k of unsecured debt
Has size 10 feet, a 40 inch chest and a 35 inch waist
Weighs 13 stone
Owns 16 pairs of underpants – this being the only item of clothing he buys with confidence.
Spends one month of his life looking for lost socks
Says ‘Sorry’ 1.9 million times in his lifetime
Considers himself working class
Reads the Sun
Has sex eight times a month, but thinks about it thirteen times a day…
(which explains a lot)
Can cook at least four meals, including spaghetti Bolognese
Has at least one Harry Potter novel in his house
Watches three hours of TV a day,
Uses the bathroom six times a day,
Is one inch taller than the average Frenchman
Will die of a heart attack at 76
His most popular conversational subject is sport, then work, after that politics and economics, or disputes about abstract ideas such as How The World Began.
He believes in God…

But most men completely by-pass church! Even in a crisis, few of them think Church might be the place to go anymore, they’ll go to the fridge and TV, or feel better at the pub or the match or sitting on their own fishing. They see Church as a place that according to a BBC Radio survey is for wimps, women and irrelevant. Church as we are generally doing it, is generally repulsive which means the opposite of attractive to men.

The Repulsive Church
You might not like the word repulsive? The Dictionary states the word means – “Causing aversion, having the ability to repel.’ I was disturbed but not surprised by the recent survey conducted by Sorted and CVM that found men would feel more at home in a ladies lingerie dept than to go to church.

So how did a faith founded by a Man and His twelve male (mostly working class) disciples, who were told to be ‘Fishers of men’ become fairly popular with older women, but repulsive to the average man? If you go to church, or especially if you lead one – are you part of the problem or part of the solution? Are you a fisher of men or is your church repulsive to men?

Nineteenth century Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon said, “There has got abroad a notion, somehow, that if you become a Christian you must sink your manliness and turn milksop.” When I was at theological college I saw a strange thing happen, as those who came to train as church leaders started out fairly normal, but learned how to do the concerned face and by the end of training have a particular voice –you know what that sounds like unless you do it – you learn a particular tonality that nobody else but clergy talk like. The good news? You can UNLEARN that too, if you want to connect to the average man you’d better! While we’re at it, unlearn using words and having arguments about things nobody in the real world gives a toss about.

I’m not going to go into detail about what some writers have listed as being what puts men off church, the feminisation argument – because they are often very sweeping and generalising, and I know there are exceptions. No doubt someone will tell me that your church is led by an all woman team, and that in the pastel coloured room a flower arranging, hymn singing crèche group at your church is packed full of hairy legged blokes in their twenties.
But listen if you will to David Murrow who gives one big reason why men hate going to church – it’s not ‘because of all the women,’ but because the men there aren’t really men. That’s the perception at least.

He says most men have a religion: MASCULINITY – they are serious students of what it is to be a man, disciples of other men on TV or sports or whatever, wanting to work out what it is to be a man, whatever that is, and they don’t see the church has having any answers to that.

Tough, earthy, working guys rarely come to church. High achievers, alpha males, risk takers, and visionaries are in short supply. Fun-lovers and adventurers are also underrepresented in church. These rough-and-tumble men don’t fit in with the quiet, introspective gentlemen who populate the church today. The truth is, most men in the pews grew up in church. They enjoy participating in comforting rituals that have changed little since their childhood. There are also millions of men who attend services under duress, dragged by a mother, wife, or girlfriend. Today’s churchgoing man is humble, tidy, dutiful, and above all, nice.”

That’s what Murrow says the unconscious message the church is giving to church, come and be nice. Oh and if you really want to be really nice it would be awfully nice if you could help cut the grass in the graveyard. The nice message is repulsive.

Jesus said, “If any man would come after me, let him take up his cross and die.” That’s not nice. It’s the verse that brought me to faith.

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Lynn Swart’s talk at Ivy Mcr on Acts 20

These notes I took during the talk form discussion  for Ivy Grow Groups if you’re still meeting through summer….

What happened in Acts is not just about what happened, but what can happen today!

When we read Acts it is all about journeys – remember that we are on a journey too. Every day – sometimes we get stuck!

Discuss: Where are you on your journey right now? anyone stuck? Pray for one another.

Our journey at Ivy as a community is marked by Knowing, Growing & Going in God. That’s our missionary journey as a community.

We are all full time! Full time workers for the church & kingdom, some of us get paid for that. Some don’t.

Discuss: Do you agree? Should ANYONE get paid for Christian ministry?

The resource we cannot do without? The Holy Spirit! Lynn says it’s great to open the day by saying, ‘Good morning, Holy Spirit,’ every day. Invite his leading. Don’t just ask him to be with me, let him lead!

There is still a voyage of discovery – however long we’ve been following.

Keep steady in God – by knowing him, Christ in me.

Acts 20:1&2 (Read)

Uproars still happen. Idols don’t like being cast down.

Nb. this word – Encouraging! Parakaleo = come alongside and call out…

Do you love to encourage others? Come alongside & Call the greatness out of those around you?
We need people around us who will instil confidence in each other- because it is tough- but God is for us! We either believe that fully or not at all. ‘If God is for us who can be against us?’

Encouraging means ‘strengthen in purpose.’ believing that this person can make a difference.

Are we looking out for one another, lifting each other up? Not competing or even comparing. – without expectation of reward or recognition.

We need encouragement from God.

“The enemy wants to take you out at the ankles. God wants to take you out at the knees.” Do you let that happen first?

We need to speak encouragement to ourselves. Build altars of remembrance. Where I say, ‘Thus far the Lord has helped me…’

Tell stories of encouragement to one another. Prophesy over one another, naturally. Pray for one another. Take the opportunity to speak goodness and purpose into one another, rather than being quick to voice problems. I already know what my weaknesses & problems are! I need someone to say, ‘I see this in you..God’s doing this..’

? Take some time in the group doing this? Tell stories of encouragement!

Then there’s the Eutychus incident. He fell out of the window & dies. Vs 7-11. Paul speaks life – to the community! ‘don’t be alarmed’ by what you see with the natural eye.

Jesus is still the resurrection!

Community is so important. We cant do this journey alone. We need community. Ages mixed together.

Prophetic word via Dennis Wakefield was read out out by Lynn. This is on the church website.

I can’t watch my back, I need someone at my back!

Communion. Remember who is our life.

Andy Hawthorne at New Wine North 2010. Acts 13

Jesus said some seed gets choked out so it doesn’t bear fruit. We are chosen & appointed to bear much fruit- nut something happens to stop that.

Paul had a good & noble heart and produced fruit & wouldn’t have it! He only had this one short shot before harvest, and he was going to be a bumper harvest person.

We only have this one chance to help the poor & make a difference.

Notice – now it’s ‘Paul & his companions.’ he’s moved to centre stage. It takes more grace than I can tell to play the second fiddle well. Barnabas etc did that, well.

V 38. John Mark deserted them. Barnabas’ cousin. A bit of a div. First sign of division in the team. But Barnabas stuck with him. Thank God he did, because later Paul describes him as useful.

Time plus mistakes = maturity!

‘The Word of the Lord spread across the whole region.’ Let that be true here! The gospel seed spreads.

It won’t happen without hassle, opposition and breakthrough. They were kicked out by the authorities in revival land. If that happened we’d be destroyed – they rejoiced, & went on their way!

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Andy Hawthorne – How to live a life that counts

Acts 9: How to live a life that counts

Notes from Andy at New Wine North last night:

By the end of the chapter, after mission and suffering, Paul has hit a wave.

He did the 3 things that he needed to do to get there…

1. He went to the church.
Paul was rooted in the local church. We need to never diss the Lords bride. Be devoted to it through thick & thin. Get committed to it.
2. He went to the lost. Verse 20.
3. He proclaimed Jesus. He is the only one who can change a broken life forever.

V 21. Paul got busy about doing some remarkable things! There should be some astonishing things happening. We should be growing more & more powerful. We reflect his glory! There should be growth – glory to glory!

The devil stirs up all his forces against a move of God. Paul ends up having to leave in a basket. tries to join the church, but the church don’t receive him. He must have felt so discouraged. Thank God for Barnabas who stood with him & spoke for him.

Don’t we want to stand alongside people & encourage them one at a time?

We can all do that.

Ian Henderson. God loves heretics. Acts 10

God loves heretics.
The last generations heretics can become this generations heroes.
Acts 10 is about a heresy. It’s about boxes & doors.
We have been brought up with ideas in boxes, & things outside the box disturb us.
Eg box of appearance. How 6long should a skirt be? Is a tattoo ok?

There are also doors.
Acts 10 is about a vision & a visit.

Peter falls in a trance. God says up, kill & eat.
But Peter had a box that was ok food & other stuff was outside the box.

But God says ‘Don’t call what I say is clean unclean.’
Gods rule is more important than keeping the rules.

We all have our boxes. And so do our churches, and our culture. Maybe God is more concerned that we listen to his voice?

Jesus broke the sabbath box by healing on it many times. Freedom & healing & compassion matter more.

Jesus rule of life? ‘I only do what I see the father doing.’

Wycilf was called a heretic. Wilberforce was called a heretic.
Wimber was too.

Our culture wants us to think in particular boxes and say right & wrong.

In the UK Christians have beers, & in the Usa they have guns: and both say of the other ‘i can’t believe they are Christians.’

What will C22nd people look back at us & say, I can’t believe they were like that yet thought they were Christians.

Peter would pray every day thanking God that he was not a Gentile. But at his door, 3 were inviting him to go with them.
God had said, ‘don’t hesitate!’

He must have struggled, like Jonah had in the same town- Joppa, but Jonah said No!
Peter entered the house – that was revolutionary. We wouldn’t be here if not for his obedience and courage. Because God doesn’t write anyone off.
Who are you writing off?
Whose house should I be entering?

What box do I hold onto thats not important?

Matt Wilson. Half a gospel?

Notes from Matts introductory remarks in Impact venue today.

We live in a polarised, us & them world. Pride & prejudice. The fabric of community spirit is thinner.

But through the cross, God has enabled a way of reconnection in a new kingdom.

Jesus reconciled ‘us’ to God.
That’s only half the gospel.
What about ‘ them.’

Are we reconciled to others? Or are our other relationships to others still fractured?

How does the full gospel work itself out in our communities?

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David Parker at New Wine North

Value at the core of his church – welcome everyone. Acts 17. God wants us to reach, & he’s not far!

Idea:,after worship,,before talk: get people to go to loo or get a drink or say hello to those round them.

Rom 8:28ff
If you read the Bible a lot you get to hear the voices:,here he voices that God works in all things for our good- That’s love!

When Paul proclaims that – then he soars! Tells us God has a destination of salvation for us. That love changes everything. Nothing can separate us from that kind of love.

The reason we don’t embrace the unstoppable love of God is
1. We define it wrongly
We are used to a more incomplete & immature definition of love. We think it’s ‘You do what I want so I love you.’ you give me that so I love you. Gods love is bigger & more challenging. Not self focused. Gods love is self sacrificing. A higher standard

2. We don’t understand the cost of love.
That when we love deeply it’s ‘whatever happens to them happens to me.’

3. We dont know the direction of love.
Love is an engine on the train. Gods leading us with love.

Why does God love you & pursue you?
- It’s built on personal origins. God is personal & relational & he wants us to know him. It’s not an accidental life
- it’s with the long view in mind. God loves you from & to eternity.
- it’s built on real sacrifice. I spend/suffer/lose this… For you. He is separated so we can have his place in the family. God hasn’t hidden his love.
- it’s built on the divine nature. Love is who he is. As we encounter God as he is, we are transformed. As he lavished his love on us, we become like him.

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